I recently had a conversation with David X Martin. David is senior vice president for AllianceBernstein, which has more than $450 billion in assets under management. Formerly Chief Risk Officer at AllianceBernstein, he also held senior risk management positions at Citibank in its heyday. David is also the author of a new book, Risk and the Smart Investor, which I’ve read and recommend. Here are some highlights from our discussion.
Jeff: One of the things that make being a senior leader so challenging is that you’re constantly forced to make decisions with incomplete information—while balancing the need to deliver short-term results with the need to protect and promote the organization’s long-term interests. In your experience, what are the traits or habits of leaders who are most successful at making decisions with eyes wide open and, as I like to say, “preventing excuses before they happen”?
David: I had lunch with Margaret Thatcher in Singapore and asked her why she went to war with Sadaam Hussein. She simply said, “When I was a kid I was taught to not let bullies get away with things. So I just called up George H. W. Bush and we went to war.” What impressed me was she had very deep-rooted principles that guided her decision-making.
Jeff: So it’s about principles. But it’s also about discipline in putting them into practice. One of the things clients pay us to do is to help them implement rigorous new practices that will improve decision making and help them more effectively lead high-stakes change. Of course, it’s one thing to believe in new practices enough to put them in place. It’s another thing to have the discipline to keep them in place over time. On that score, I’d like you describe the Windows on Risk tool you implemented at Citibank…and what happened after you left. What did you learn from that experience?
David: Windows on Risk was the first enterprise risk management system—ever. I implemented a disciplined portfolio management process designed to acknowledge the global business environment, determine our portfolio’s risk profile, and to adjust its management accordingly. This required an explicit understanding of our risk-loss appetite, the construction of walls around the portfolio, and the use of caps to ensure the portfolio remained within the risk level we were willing to live with.
After leaving Citibank, I maintained a friendship with Bill Rhodes, a Vice-Chair of Citibank. He had an office in the C-Suite and one day, after a long lunch, he took me back to meet members of senior management, all of who told me how thankful they were that the bank had Windows on Risk. While I appreciated the praise, what they didn’t know was that Bill had told me that same day that the bank, over his objection, had all but stopped using it. The following day I sold all my shares in Citigroup.
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